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March 4, 2011

How can K12 and Higher Ed better work together to promote positive change in education?

 #Edchat 03-01–2011 – 18:00 CET 12 PM EST

Grateful thanks to Carl Anderson (@anderscj) for this week’s #edchat summary. It was a great discussion with several participants from both ends of the spectrum and in-between to so a wide range of ideas and experiences. Carl has captured this beautifully in his summary. I hope you all enjoy the post. Thank you Carl. See Carl’s bio at the end of this post.

Here are some of the main themes from the discussion:

  1. k-12 and higher ed need to collaborate more
  2. lack of communication and connection between all levels of education
  3. Do all students need to be prepared for college?

Contrast between k12 and higher ed pedagogies

  1. disconnect between how we teach and how we learn at all levels
  2. What is the purpose of school/education?

Here is a selection of some of the comments:

With such a vibrant discussion, it’s almost impossible to do it justice in a summary, but I’ve picked out some of the comments that caught my eye.

@cybraryman1: K12 schools should establish more partnerships with those in Higher Ed and work together to better education #edchat

 @franze98: . @ShellTerrell we have partnered w/ local community college to offer dual credit courses. shouldn’t all do that? #edchat

 @rliberni:  In fact how closely to Primary and secondary schools work together? Are we all in our own boxes? #edchat

 @tomwhitby: We need a better connection for what K-12 expects of new teachers from college Edu programs. #Edchat

 @leahmacvie: I don’t understand why some colleges are hesitant to partner with K-12 that could offer them future enrollments. #edchat

 @pschoolsystems: Do you think the #CommonCore State Standards will aide in communication between K12 and HigherEd? #edchat

 @leahmacvie: Bringing in K-12 teachers to discuss w/ highered teachers helps to illustrate the types of tech experience and skills students have. #edchat

 @QZLPatriotHawk: How many teachers said they didn’t learn anything of substance until they student taught? More practicum time needed. #edchat

 @TeacherFreeman: Why is it important for teachers to be familiar with curriculum in grades they do not teach? #edchat

 @ShellTerrell: I think in low-income areas a collaboration btwn K12 & Univ helps Ss begin to be college minded Good point! #Edchat

 @leahmacvie: @unhmba Our charter’s are getting students thinking about college much earlier than 11th. Is that a good or bad….. #edchat

@QZLPatriotHawk: Teaching cannot be taught without seeing it in action and getting dirty. Should look more like an apprenticeship #edchat

 @Saveby: #edchat If I remmbr Sir Ken Robinson mentioned a kindergarten sign saying “college begins in kindergarten”. I think here lies the problem

 @isteconnects: In my experience, K-12 is light years ahead of higher ed when it comes to teaching w/ tech #edchat

 @tomwhitby: If the goal of K-12 education is to get everyone to go to college it is unattainable. #Edchat

 @tomwhitby: I have yet to see any real agreement as to what the goal of education should be. #Edchat

 @lemino: If my son’s teacher (6th grade!) says she’s tough on him bcz she’s preparing him for his future education… #edchat

@wmchamberlain: Do we teachers emphasize traditional colleges/universities too much to the deficit of trade schools? Are we creating social classes? #edchat

@isteconnects: Maybe local K12 tech leaders could offer teaching workshops for profs? Anyone see that happening? #edchat

@wmchamberlain: What about students that don’t want/need college? #edchat

 @jorech: If K-12 ONLY prepares kids for college, we are doing them a huge disservice. #edchat

 @EduTechSmith: to me education is not to get kids into college. it is to prepare children to be self-sufficient adults who know how to learn & grow #edchat

@teachnetcom: There’s a disconnect between academia and the real world. We’re not exposing students to enough in HS bc we’re too busy w standards. #edchat

@Smichael920: if schools r preparing learners 4 future society whats the purpose of testing & memorisation? #edchat

I would ask that the following question is added to the poll next week:

  1. For you, what is the purpose of #edchat?
  2. How are school systems addressing the production gap?
  3. What invisible technologies effecting schools & society do we need to be aware of and how do we work to minimize their harm?
  4. Data Walls:  accountability or child exploitation?
  5. What might a world without schools look like?

To follow the complete discussion see here

For the stats on #edchat participation see here

As ever, there were some great links shared:

briankotts What Can TED Do For Education Reform? http://bit.ly/dHt8Os  /via @GOOD #edchat #edtech #ukedchat

MSMS_tech: Students & guidance counselors need to be better able to evaluate college teaching quality and value of degree http://bit.ly/fH9S3c #edchat

andycinek: #edchat here is what I am doing with my Eng 101 class. Students lecture and we use twitter back channel for discussion http://bit.ly/99QKKu

andycinek: @tgwynn Agreed! (throwing pencils in the air) WOO HOO! Cut to: student dance sequence http://youtu.be/cEi2hKbgo0c  #edchat

Dr. Michio Kaku @michiokaku: The Problem with the learning system in school P.2 http://youtu.be/X6o_q0NoeNo  #edchat #ukedchat #eduswe #dkudd

delta_dc:  @jleung10 thanks for sharing http://t.co/z3VHVvN  it makes some good points but I think the following is the most important. #edchat (1/3)

@ShellTerrell Lots going in States around redefining teacher highered. Interesting article at the Economist http://ilnk.me/63c6 #edchat

My school (PDS) has a mentoring program to give a yr’s practice of field work for college students http://tinyurl.com/4rl5r7p

@jorech: What about students that don’t want/need college? This might happen http://imdb.to/9mbNmF #edchat Seems more likely than ever

ERStrategies: #Districts must drill down to understand student needs in more detail http://ow.ly/42MFl  #cpchat #edchat

anderscj: @Smichael920 #Edchat Purpose of testing and memorization = mandate soft bigotry of low expectations http://is.gd/VgoonY

ToughLoveforX: In New York City at big step forward in teacher HigherEd http://ilnk.me/700c  #edchat might be replicable

kbakerIEE: Strong correlation w/P2A http://bit.ly/fvtWq3  :”Tough Choices or Tough Times” http://bit.ly/fBHO73  #edchat #edreform article via @ericjuli

@evmaiden Colleges can ignore messiness of the data because consumers of higher ed are willing, mostly paying. http://bit.ly/gwweLj

Carl Anderson is currently a technology integration specialist for East Metro Integration School District 6067 in St. Paul, MN, an online art and technology teacher for Connections Academy, and an adjunct instructor for Hamline University’s Graduate School of Education. He was a classroom art teacher for nine years before his current positions. His research interests include technology mediated differentiated instruction, virtual worlds, alternative pedagogy, project-based learning, and equity issues related to technology and schools. Carl is a frequent conference presenter and school technology consultant.  He blogs at Techno Constructivist and is @anderscj on Twitter.

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