#Edchat 24-01–2011 – 18:00 CET 12 PM EST
Here are some of the main themes from the discussion:
- If schools promote learning and business promotes profit, can they work together?
- Can businesspeople help foster innovation and efficiency?
- Would a greater engagement with business end up pushing the ‘accountability’ agenda?
- Examples of successful collaborations between business and education
- What desired outcomes would we want from collaboration?
- Would the risk-taking nature of business be acceptable in education?
Here is a selection of some of the comments:
With such a vibrant discussion, it’s almost impossible to do it justice in a summary, but I’ve picked out some of the comments that caught my eye.
@cybraryman1 – “What is the impact on education considering the fact that many new leaders of ed reform are from business & not education?”
@davidwees – “Businesses have shown themselves to be often uncaring, and lacking empathy b/c focus on bottom line. We want this for schools?”
@fliegs – “Children are not products” & “Schools are not businesses”
@rliberni – “I think the way we move children thru school sometimes makes them seem like products”
@mbaprogrms – “The methods businesses have may not work for the classroom– however, they are good leaders, so maybe we could focus on that?”
@informed_edu – “If you get business people focusing on long-term outcomes for students, it would drive better change.”
@CTuckerEnglish – “Performance and pay tend to go hand-in-hand in business world so incentive programs and merit pay are reminiscent of business model”
@slaleman – “even business doesn’t use the business model anymore…look at Google”
@jpsteltz – “Edu could learn from marketing techniques used in business. Our profession is NOT marketed well”
@SErwin – “Students pay private entities to take online classes. Why are school dist not offering them?”
@cybraryman1 – “Should businesses invest in schools financially?”
@JenVonid – “y shouldn’t schools partner w/ businesses. A large company partnered w/ a local charter skool, paid 4 all the technology, gym, etc”
@jonbergmann – “Example: Morgridge Family Foundation (Cisco) is partnering with us to share the flipped classroom model”
@ian23505 – “Local business in MA providing $10k per year for the next 5 years for tech implementation.”
@rliberni – “Does it have to be a them and us?”
@ericjuli – “Implication is bcse business leaders went to school, they are “education experts.” Must further professionalize teaching&leading”
@daveandcori – “Businesses have streamlined processes, become efficient, decreased meetings, integr tech, decrease paper – education is way behind”
@rdlln – “We had to spend $3,000 on software we didn’t need. It couldn’t be spent on anything else or saved. No business would do that.”
@Nunavut_Teacher – “Are schools letting government off the hook by getting business to fill a $ void? ”
@sram_socrates – “Education is more of a web-design while business is more linear with a defined end result”
@geraldaungst – “Business sees edu as a means of producing better employees. Our mission is larger than that.”
@wmchamberlain – “Teaching students how to learn makes them better employees than teaching them skills that get dated…”
@pete_rodrigues – “The misconception is the business want cogs – most don’t. They want thinkers”
@nsharoff – “I’m tired of everyone ‘fighting’ each other (parents-admin-teachers-students-business), let’s take the best of all & put it together”
@CTuckerEnglish “Defining “profit” is a crucial step in the process of deciding how to accurately assess that profit. What are we truly assessing?”
I would ask that the following question is added to the poll next week:
What long-term effects do we want to be having on our students?
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As ever, there were some great links shared:
WSDTechInfo: Participate in this week’s #edchat http://bit.ly/8LXuMB
cybraryman1: Need more school business partnerships like Open Doors http://cybraryman.com/careerssubjects.html
sbenglin: Englin tells it like it is re: education funding and investing in human capital: http://ow.ly/3JX9X#edchat #educationnation
davidwees: @informed_edu We don’t need a innovation in education. We need to start using what we know works. http://is.gd/GJKxy5
informed_edu: @davidwees Yes Long term impact is good. Education focuses on short-term. We need ’10-year survival rates’ http://ow.ly/3JXjN
edutopiahubert: I think ed and bus needs each other… “America’s high schools are obsolete,” Bill Gates. http://bit.ly/fMlM30
thechalkface: What if we treated doctors the way we treated teachers? http://huff.to/hwRcSS
daveandcori: CBIA Externship program – http://j.mp/fLKAMe #edchat connecting business and education
informed_edu: I learned a huge amount by reading about business and healthcare. Some lesson can transfer, and should #edchat http://ow.ly/3JXjN
edutopiahubert: Businesses can also lend out their human resources. http://bit.ly/fJ2hIG #edchat
jbrogley: I’m taking a tour this spring of this business. Their campus along is innovative and inspiring. http://bit.ly/c9dM15
cybraryman1: My students gained a lot from our Health Careers program http://cybraryman.com/hcp.html
RobertSAllen1: #edchat everyone see #unbound right now if you are not already. Change is happening and business (non and for) are … http://bit.ly/heUINc
WorldofLearning: For more information on the Learning #Unbound summit, visit http://knowledgeworks.org/conversation
davidwees: RT @StepanVdovine: business and schools can’t be welded at the hip – http://bit.ly/a8BpP7
davidwees: Want teachers to trust your business more? Fine: Help clean this up => http://is.gd/EYdjVo
ViSandford: A great community effort to support literacy. “Canmore-based comic company telling Canadian stories.” http://ow.ly/3JZt7
eSchoolNews: Future murky for virtual classrooms http://ow.ly/3JPUF
cybraryman1: My iPad page http://cybraryman.com/ipad.html. Great device to use while on the road. Great chatting while my wife drives in Georgia #edchat
shankerblog: Yale ends teacher programs due 2 lack of interest yet 18%ofstudents apply to Teach for America http://bit.ly/hw3hgQ
CoachInTheLab: http://bit.ly/fOZS00 <– The new “plan” for education here. Read it and tell me what you think… most educators are up in arms. #edchat
web20classroom: All You Educational Chat Participants-We Have A Project For You: http://bit.ly/hqShZa #edchat #ntchat #ELTChat #mathchat
David Weston (@informed_edu) is a secondary school Maths and Physics teacher and data manager at Watford Grammar School for Boys in the UK, with a Masters in Engineering from Oxford University. He runs an education data consultancy where he is producing training and analysis tools for classroom practitioners and school leaders. David is an honorary associate researcher at Brunel University and is looking at effective use of data. He is an e-learning enthusiast, and has interests in learning and leadership, and has consulted for a number of education-related start-ups. David lives in north London with his civil partner, is a former professional latin-american dancer, and, in 2009, a grateful recipient of a liver transplant after some years fighting off a rare liver disease. Find out more and follow his blog at http://www.informededucation.com
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